Facebook Dialogue With Christian Fundamentalist Friend Concerning Trump's Border Policies

‎KK >>>‎ to Alan Archibald

19 hrs · 

let's just try this again.. ok? what's the difference? between Nazi concentration camps? communist prisons? and what our own border patrol is trying so hard to do to protect and defend our borders? really? we should just throw the gates open wide to whoever wants to come in claiming himself to be a friend? have you had a child killed yet by one of those lawless men? or does it matter? until you do will you even really give a damn for real? or do you only identify with those who kill children not anyone who wants to save our own?

Vic Saum

July 10 at 1:38 PM

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  Alan Archibald Again, illegal immigrants who are legally seeking refugee status are not free to leave the camps where they are concentrated, at least not in any substantively accurate use of the word "freedom." http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../facebook-dialogue... 
  
  Furthermore, putting kids in cages -- and separating them from their parents -- is, by any measure, cruel and unusual punishment. 
  
  But then...
  
  "The Cruelty Is the Point": Trump And Many Of His Followers Delight In The Suffering Of Enemies
  http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../the-cruelty-is...
  
  Family Separation And The Deportation Of Parents Constitute Kidnapping And Human Trafficking
  https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../family...
  
  In large part, this deliberate cruelty (with malice aforethought) is designed to persuade self-terrorized Americans -- mostly white and "Christian" -- that "something is being done" to turn back "the criminal hordes." (I believe these same immigrants are more likely to "make America great" than angry, chest-thumping Trumpistas who, as I see it, are en route to trashing the nation and what remains of democratic process in the billionaire-lead plutocracy that now prevails.)
  
  Furthermore, Trump knows that such deliberate border cruelty is a "crowd pleaser," especially for white "Christians" who believe in a punitive God who has devised a Universe in which many (and probably) most souls suffer never-ending hellish torment. 
  
  The Thinking Housewife: "We Can Be Pretty Sure That Many Good People Are Roasting In Hell"
  http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../the-thinking...
  
  To be clear, I do not believe in that punitive God. 
  
  I believe that any God who would devise a Universe in which billions of souls end up enduring inescapable torment is a false God. 
  
  I also believe that worshipping that male, punitive God is idolatry. (Not surprisingly the punitive "Christian" God is a "male": a woman would not design the Universe to include unending suffering without possibility of reform. A woman would devise a Universe in which lost souls "pass out of existence" or are narcotized like "the three lords" in C.S. Lewis' "Voyage Of The Dawn Treader." I am also struck that we mere mortals are often kinder and more loving that "The Thunder Sky God" worshipped by many "Christian" "conservatives.")
  
  An aside... 
  
  When Yahweh first describes the Divine Nature in Genesis, that Being is described as "male" AND "female." 
  
  Go figure.
  
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  Nor have the gates been "thrown wide open." 
  
  In fact, there are now significantly fewer illegal Hispanics in the United States than resided here just a few years ago. https://www.forbes.com/.../falling-illegal.../...
  
  I will however make this observation about "open borders."
  
  I believe the United States will lose its position of global leadership within 30 years if it does not promote a Hemispheric Union based on the European Union - a federation that would eliminate borders.
  
  To Compete With China, The United States Should Promote A "Hemispheric Federation"
  http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../to-compete-with...
  
  Finally, I propose that the migrants who are currently seeking refugee status at the Tex-Mex border be given temporary "guest worker cards" so they can participate in building American communities and strengthening America's economy while keeping their families together. God knows American farmers and many areas of American industry need them.
  
  Except for "conservative" "Christianity's" penchant for cruelty, I see no good reason why this "guest worker" approach should not be tried 1.) to see if it works better, than kidnapping-and-trafficking, and 2.) to see if it proves less costly than Trump's family separation and imprisonment scheme.

  

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