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Friday, October 4, 2019

"Trump Is No Worse Than You Or I": Update On My Online Conversation With Timber1972

As Trump Tries To Hide Facts From The House Impeachment Inquiry, Let Us Remember That "Truth Never Damages A Cause That Is Just."
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I'm sure you believe everything you say here. I'm sure you believe that you have firmly recognized, and set aside, your bias, and see everything with a clear eye...and therefore can easily dismiss those who disagree with you with a perfectly clear conscience as ignorant and uneducated, at best.

The problem is, it doesn't line up with reality. You are a victim of your own intellect, a "smart" person who has convinced himself that because he is "smart", as the world judges "smart", he must therefore be right, too. And you've ended up living an entire life thinking and believing that, without ever having been subjected to the withering, destructive reality that is the truth...about yourself or much of anything else.

The truth is horrifying. It destroys a man, as it is intended to do. No one forced to face the truth comes out without being fundamentally changed. Most people will never have to face it in this lifetime...but there are lifetimes beyond this, and all will have to face the horrifying, destructive, purifying truth someday.

We've discussed this before.
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If you find Truth horrifying, God "himself" becomes a kind a terrorist.

Little wonder you have so little interest in Truth if it visits horror upon you.

I am well aware of past errors - and will make them again.

But it is another kettle of fish to know -- with the certainty that 2+2 do NOT equal 5 -- when someone else is wrong.

I am not always certain when someone else is wrong.

But, on occasion, I know - as a matter of incontrovertible fact - other people are wrong.

For example, Trump is wrong when he says "All negative polls are fake news."

If you take enough polls, even "motherhood" and "apple pie" will end up in negative territory.

There will ALWAYS be negative polls somewhere - in some population.

Furthermore, it is factually provable that Trump is a compulsive liar, a cheat (he cheated on all three of his wives), a criminal and a vindictive, abusive, demeaning person who, if we believe the detailed account of his first wife, is also a rapist.

"Donald Trump, Felon: Re-Visiting Trump University"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/05/donald-trump-felon-re-visiting-trump.html

"Lest We Forget, Trump **ped His Wife"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/11/lest-we-forget.html

Ted Cruz Gives Detailed Explanation Of Trump's Pathological Obsession With Continuous Lying
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2016/08/ted-cruz-gives-detailed-explanation-of.html

Compendium Of Pax Posts Concerning Trump's Habitual Lying
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/02/compendium-of-pax-posts-concerning.html

Trump Mendacity Memes
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/10/trump-mendacity-memes.html

60 Minutes: "Fake News"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/03/60-minutes-fake-news.html

Given Trump's refusal to conduct a promised press conference ("in the next few weekjs") about Melania's illegal citizenship application, it is overwhelmingly likely Devious Donald has been party to serious infractions of immigration law (at least "aiding and abetting") and that he is now involved in covering up these immigration crimes.

"Melania Trump, Illegal Immigrant"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2016/11/melania-trump-illegal-immigrant.html

"PBS: Melania Trump Worked In U.S. Without Visa; Took Jobs Away From Native Born Americans And Immigrants Who Got In Line"
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/melania-trump-modeled-u-s-prior-getting-work-visa/
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The reason you don't find the truth horrifying is because you have never dealt with it.

The fascinating thing, of course, is that you dabble around the edges of truth, and say true things...like "If you find Truth horrifying, God "himself" becomes a kind a terrorist." and "Little wonder you have so little interest in Truth if it visits horror upon you."

These are true statements, but you don't understand how. You will know horror when the truth is revealed to you, as it is revealed to us all, in our turn. It is the horror of truth that, indeed, is why so many have so little interest in it...including you. That horror must be confronted and overcome, and it will be, by everyone, each in is own turn...the reason for the flaming swords.

But, of course, because you have yet to be confronted by truth, you then go on to say things like this:

"Furthermore, it is factually provable that Trump is a compulsive liar, a cheat (he cheated on all three of his wives), a criminal and a vindictive, abusive, demeaning person who, if we believe the detailed account of his first wife, is also a rapist."

...which, while also true, is no worse than anything you or I are guilty of. To pretend otherwise is to demonstrate that one has not been made to face the truth. You pass judgment and condemn...and fail to understand that you will be judged in like manner (and it will be good for you.)

When it's your time, your eyes will be opened, and you will see.

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No, the magnitude of the "the wrong" makes no difference in the comparison you're trying to draw.

"Illegal immigrants shouldn't be here."

"Yeah....well....TRUMP's administration is PACKED to the BRIM with criminals!!!"

"Maybe. Maybe not. But comparing illegals and their crime rates to whatever crooks may or may not be in the administration, implying that illegal immigration should therefore be overlooked, if not WELCOMED, is a false equivalency."

"Yeah....?? Well....go read my blog!!!!"

No.

That's not how any of this works.
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And, by the way....for you deranged Leftists out there...the statement "Maybe. Maybe not." is a measured, sober recognition of reality, and evidence against your constant screeching that anyone who supports Trump in any shape, manner, or form, is therefore a "cult member" who "thinks Trump can do no wrong."

Learn to think critically. Pay attention. These clues are important. You folks CAN come out of your delusions. Really.
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Not all Trumpistas are cultists.

But many are.

A sure sign of cult devotion is admiration for QAnon (even though QAnon, like a broken clock, may be right twice a day).

QAnon, The Trumpista "Deep State" Conspiracy Movement Glorifying America's Cultural Collapse
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/08/learn-all-about-qanon-right-wing.html
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Are you aware that historians agree that the Founding Fathers were leftists?

They are categorized as leftists because they were determined to overthrow established authority, which -- back in the day -- meant overthrowing the co-terminous power of England's totally merged Church-State. Indeed, the king (or queen) was the official head of the Church of England.

I encourage you to read the following article on "Liberal Democracy" which emerged as a political form in the 18th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

History and political philosophy couldn't be clearer.

Needless to say, the established monarchical and religious authorities of the day considered them "deranged Leftists."
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The magnitude of wrong always matters.

That's why traditional Christian moral theology distinguishes between "venial" sins and "mortal" sins.

That's why the law distinguishes between "misdemeanors" and "felonies."

An abiding difficulting conducting conversation with right-wingers is y'all keep changing definitions. (See Pat Buchanan below.)

"Mediocre Philosophy Sells. It Makes The Half-Literate Feel Smart"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2015/05/reprise-mediocre-philosophy-sells-it.html

"Conservative Icon P.J. O'Rourke Will Vote For Hillary. Why?"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2016/05/conservative-icon-pj-orourke-will-vote.html

Republican Presidential Candidate Pat Buchanan "Summarizes The Republican Philosophy"
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/01/republican-presidential-candidate-pat.html
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Yes, the magnitude of wrong DOES matter...just not in the comparison you were trying to draw to fool the gullible.

Oh, and "venial" and "mortal" sins and the distinction thereof is just pagan superstition, masquerading as "christian", when it is anything but, and has nothing whatsoever to do with God.

I'm not a "right-winger", not a "Republican", so I'm not sure who you're referring to. You, however, are a Leftist, and it is Leftism which says "words mean what we say they mean" (see: Orwell; Animal Farm)

Here's the hard truth that Leftists can't grasp (or they wouldn't be Leftists): just because you claim to be something, doesn't mean you are. And just because you claim to NOT be something, doesn't mean you aren't.

Actions and motives always trump words and claims.
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My meme is not about the propriety of illegals residing in the United States.

It's about the fact that Mobster-In-Chief hires inner-sanctum staff members who are much more prone to commit felonies than illegals are.
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Again: false equivalency.
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I cannot speak for the status of your own character but but I will cite just one example.

When Trump fabricates whole-cloth lies whose intention-and-effect is to undermine the foundation of any respectable epistomology -- that behavior by Liar/Cheater-in-Chief is worse than my flat refusal to "make shit up."

If you really believe Trump's behavior is "no worse than anything you or I are guilty of," you are part of the problem.

Even more ominously, you simultaneously strive to normalize the corrosion of Truth - and without a touchstone of garden variety factual truths there is no hope.

Belief in the foundational principle that "one thing is as good as another" is the essence of nihilism. (It is also a monstrosity.)

I sense that you have rationalized your all-or-nothing belief in an eventual "metanoiac encounter with Truth" as "the only way out."

Yes, we are always dealing with believe systems. It is even possible to believe that truth is no better than falsehood.

I believe that combatting the shitstorm of whole-cloth lies, dishonest distortions, innuendo and sludge-gossip ("many people tell me") that continually ooze from the mouth of Malignant Messiah is a commitment worth immeasurably more than the nihilistic inaction of waiting (like Godot) for a world-changing encounter with distilled, transcendendal Truth.

Furthermore, when it comes to The Common Good, The General Welfare and a meaningful Social Contract, fact-based incrementalism is worth more than any kind of apocalypticism (from the Greek for "lifting of the veil") whether you (or anyone else) construes apocalypiticism as a secular or "mystical" phenomenon.

You strike me as groping after "false equivalency" as a way to dodge the central, damning fact that "Mobster-In-Chief hires inner-sanctum staff members who are much more prone to commit felonies than illegals are." (You can find linked evidence elsewhere in this thread.)

It also looks like there will be many more felonies - including the real possibility of credible treason charges -- arising from the House impeachment inquiry.

And finally, when Trump can no longer hide behind the office he abuses every day of his presidency, the New York courts will have opportunity to find him guilty on many otherf evidence-rich charges. (They will also have access to his tax returns.)

It is stunning that you and your ideological allies find no fault with this thoroughly putrescent politician, but instead are totally at home accusing leftists of being deranged.

Would you like to make an even-money wager on whether or not Trump is convicted of a felony in the next ten years? 

The wagered amount -- $1000.00... $5000.00 -- can be held in escrow by a major commercial bank... 


Wells Fargo? Chase? Bank of America?

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If I didn't believe it, I wouldn't say it. You reveal yourself: "I'm better than Trump, because I haven't done what I condemn in him." Sure you have. You're just as guilty. So am I.

The fact that you reject that, recoil in horror at that. proves my statements about your lack of experience with the truth.

Nobody said "one thing is as good as another." That's another of your strawmen. And no, there is no "way out." That's a manifestation of corrupt pagan religious indoctrination. There is only a way through...and it will cost you everything.

You are incapable of reason. You've told yourself lies your entire life, and you're comfortable with them. You are your first and most important victim.



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