A Heated Discussion Provoked By The Proposition That Trump's "Best People" Are More Likely To Be Felons Than Illegal Immigrants

Alan: There is a lot of chaff in the following thread. 

The most intersting participants are Timber1972 and myself.

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Timber1972

7 ups, 19h

No. They don't. They're ILLEGAL immigrants. That means they've already broken AT LEAST one law.

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GoBackToSleep

5 ups, 18h

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Timber1972

5 ups, 19h

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xamirin

5 ups, 19h,

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op that is a lot of stupid does it hurt .......illegal is illegal aka a criminal

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AArchibald

3 ups, 18h,

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Residing in the United States illegally is a misdemeanor.

Against this backdrop, the fulminating felonies perpetrated by Trump's henchmen dwarf the relatively infrequent felonies committed by illegals.

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klkitchens_memer

2 ups, 9h,

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Name one felony. With Proof. We won't wait as you drown in your lies.

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AArchibald

0 ups, <1h div="">

Here is a wealth of fact-checkable, public record felonies committed by Trump's "best people."

Be sure to get to me with your own linked references.

"Illegal Immigrants Commit Crime At A Considerably Lower Rate Than Trump's Inner Sanctum"
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/09/illegal-immigrants-commit-crime-at.html

Are you not embarrassed by trying to put lipstick on the pig?

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Timber1972

3 ups, 18h

no.

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Blarfnotz

3 ups, 18h

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xamirin

2 ups, 17h,

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the irony is you are to be killed by a drunk mexican , Enjoy!

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Octavia_Melody

2 ups, 16h,

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Lefty yuo die maga have gunz mexirat mooslime maga lefty

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Blarfnotz

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Octavia_Melody

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VagabondSouffle

0 ups, 3h

He has a big yard, whaddaya expect?

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Blarfnotz

3 ups, 18h,

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AArchibald

3 ups, 18h,

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Just curious...

Would you swear on the souls of all your ancestors -- and all your progeny yet to come -- that you yourself are not guilty of some illegality?

To conduct a meaningful examination of conscience, start with your tax returns.

Speaking of tax returns, would you take the same oath mentioned above that no illegality would be revealed by Trump's tax returns.

Plus, there's this:

"Donald Trump, Felon: Re-Visiting Trump University"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/05/donald-trump-felon-re-visiting-trump.html

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Blarfnotz

2 ups, 18h,

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Timber1972

4 ups, 18h,

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That's even more facepalmtacular, because that's AArchibald's own blog! Yes, he writes a blog, then links to it at imgflip. Keen, huh?

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klkitchens_memer

2 ups, 9h

He can write?

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Blarfnotz

2 ups, 17h

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[deleted]

2 ups, 9h,

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Timber1972

2 ups, 8h,

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I'm sure you believe everything you say here. I'm sure you believe that you have firmly recognized, and set aside, your bias, and see everything with a clear eye...and therefore can easily dismiss those who disagree with you with a perfectly clear conscience as ignorant and uneducated, at best.

The problem is, it doesn't line up with reality. You are a victim of your own intellect, a "smart" person who has convinced himself that because he is "smart", as the world judges "smart", he must therefore be right, too. And you've ended up living an entire life thinking and believing that, without ever having been subjected to the withering, destructive reality that is the truth...about yourself or much of anything else.

The truth is horrifying. It destroys a man, as it is intended to do. No one forced to face the truth comes out without being fundamentally changed. Most people will never have to face it in this lifetime...but there are lifetimes beyond this, and all will have to face the horrifying, destructive, purifying truth someday.

We've discussed this before.

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AArchibald

0 ups, <1h div="">

If you find Truth horrifying, God "himself" becomes a kind a terrorist.

Little wonder you have so little interest in Truth if it visits horror upon you.

I am well aware of past errors - and will make them again.

But it is another kettle of fish to know -- with the certainty that 2+2 do NOT equal 5 -- when someone else is wrong.

I am not always certain when someone else is wrong.

But, on occasion, I know - as a matter of incontrovertible fact - other people are wrong.

For example, Trump is wrong when he says "All negative polls are fake news."

If you take enough polls, even "motherhood" and "apple pie" will end up in negative territory.

There will ALWAYS be negative polls somewhere - in some population.

Furthermore, it is factually provable that Trump is a compulsive liar, a cheat (he cheated on all three of his wives), a criminal and a vindictive, abusive, demeaning person who, if we believe the detailed account of his first wife, is also a rapist.

"Donald Trump, Felon: Re-Visiting Trump University"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/05/donald-trump-felon-re-visiting-trump.html

"Lest We Forget, Trump **ped His Wife"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/11/lest-we-forget.html

Ted Cruz Gives Detailed Explanation Of Trump's Pathological Obsession With Continuous Lying
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2016/08/ted-cruz-gives-detailed-explanation-of.html

Compendium Of Pax Posts Concerning Trump's Habitual Lying
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/02/compendium-of-pax-posts-concerning.html

Trump Mendacity Memes
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/10/trump-mendacity-memes.html

60 Minutes: "Fake News"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/03/60-minutes-fake-news.html

Given Trump's refusal to conduct a promised press conference ("in the next few weekjs") about Melania's illegal citizenship application, it is overwhelmingly likely Devious Donald has been party to serious infractions of immigration law (at least "aiding and abetting") and that he is now involved in covering up these immigration crimes.

"Melania Trump, Illegal Immigrant"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2016/11/melania-trump-illegal-immigrant.html

"PBS: Melania Trump Worked In U.S. Without Visa; Took Jobs Away From Native Born Americans And Immigrants Who Got In Line"
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/melania-trump-modeled-u-s-prior-getting-work-visa/

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Blarfnotz

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Timber1972

2 ups, 8h,

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Yes. That's often the Leftist view, moreso than most (though everyone else is not immune, either.) "I've gone to the trouble of organizing my thoughts in at least a semi-coherent fashion, and therefore, because I've gone to that effort, I am therefore correct."

It's an alluring lie.

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AArchibald

0 ups, <1h div="">

The fact that I "have gone to the trouble of organizing my thoughts in at least a semi-coherent fashion" has nothing to do with any conclusion of "correctness."

Consider my post from earlier today:

VIDEO: Man Hugs Police Officer Amber Guyger After Her Conviction For Murdering His Brother
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/10/video-man-hugs-police-officer-amber.html

After you explore this post, would you take an oath before "God" -- with your eternal soul in the lurch -- that I am spouting an "alluring lie?"

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AArchibald

0 ups, <1h div="">

Now try reading my blog.

It's well referenced and a trove of well-winnowed, fact-checkable information.

You seem to have no understanding of intellectual rigor and the snap-trap of "confirmation bias."

"Confirmation Bias" And The Power Of "Disconfirming Bias"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/05/confirmation-bias-and-power-of.html

Trump cultists spend massive amounts of time trying to trash credible information while pretending QAnon, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are re-incarnations of The Four Evangelists.

Check out these posts. You will learn something.

QAnon, The Trumpista "Deep State" Conspiracy Movement Glorifying America's Cultural Collapse
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/08/learn-all-about-qanon-right-wing.html

Alex Jones: Thank God Sane People Are Standing Up For All Those Children...
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2018/08/pizzagate-is-real-alex-jones-httpswww.html

Mark Twain, Adolf Hitler And The Dunning-Kruger Effect
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-danger-of-carbon-dioxide-as.html

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Timber1972

3 ups, 18h,

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Two wrongs and such...

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AArchibald

2 ups, 9h,

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The magnitude of "the wrong" makes a categorical difference.

There are misdemeanors.

And there are felonies.

Fact: Trump and his people commit more felonies per capita than illegal immigrants.

"Inconvenient Truth About The Trump Administration"
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/08/inconvenient-truth-about-trump.html

"Illegal Immigrants Commit Crime At A Considerably Lower Rate Than Trump's Inner Sanctum"
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/09/illegal-immigrants-commit-crime-at.html

Donald Trump, Felon: Re-Visiting Trump University"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/05/donald-trump-felon-re-visiting-trump.html

"Trump Administration Argues That Caged Migrant Kids Don't Deserve Toothpaste And Soap"
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/08/trump-administration-argues-that.html

PolitiFact Probes Biden's Debate Claim That Obama Administration Did Not Cage Immigrants
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/09/politifact-probes-bidens-debate-claim.html

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Timber1972

2 ups, 8h,

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No, the magnitude of the "the wrong" makes no difference in the comparison you're trying to draw.

"Illegal immigrants shouldn't be here."

"Yeah....well....TRUMP's administration is PACKED to the BRIM with criminals!!!"

"Maybe. Maybe not. But comparing illegals and their crime rates to whatever crooks may or may not be in the administration, implying that illegal immigration should therefore be overlooked, if not WELCOMED, is a false equivalency."

"Yeah....?? Well....go read my blog!!!!"

No.

That's not how any of this works.

AArchibald

0 ups, <1h div="">

My meme is not about the propriety of illegals residing in the United States.

It's about the fact that Mobster-In-Chief hires inner-sanctum staff members who are much more prone to commit felonies than illegals are.

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Timber1972

2 ups, 8h,

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And, by the way....for you deranged Leftists out there...the statement "Maybe. Maybe not." is a measured, sober recognition of reality, and evidence against your constant screeching that anyone who supports Trump in any shape, manner, or form, is therefore a "cult member" who "thinks Trump can do no wrong."

Learn to think critically. Pay attention. These clues are important. You folks CAN come out of your delusions. Really.

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AArchibald

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Not all Trumpistas are cultists.

But many are.

A sure sign of cult devotion is admiration for QAnon (even though QAnon, like a broken clock, may be right twice a day).

QAnon, The Trumpista "Deep State" Conspiracy Movement Glorifying America's Cultural Collapse
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/08/learn-all-about-qanon-right-wing.html

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AArchibald

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The magnitude of wrong always matters.

That's why traditional Christian moral theology distinguishes between "venial" sins and "mortal" sins.

That's why the law distinguishes between "misdemeanors" and "felonies."

An abiding difficulting conducting conversation with right-wingers is y'all keep changing definitions. (See Pat Buchanan below.)

"Mediocre Philosophy Sells. It Makes The Half-Literate Feel Smart"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2015/05/reprise-mediocre-philosophy-sells-it.html

"Conservative Icon P.J. O'Rourke Will Vote For Hillary. Why?"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2016/05/conservative-icon-pj-orourke-will-vote.html

Republican Presidential Candidate Pat Buchanan "Summarizes The Republican Philosophy"
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/01/republican-presidential-candidate-pat.html

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GoBackToSleep

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klkitchens_memer

1 up, 9h,

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Tax returns not required. Did you protest as much for Obama's still never revealed FULL birth certificate you know, to prove he's a citizen (which I believe he is, but he never proved it)...

Illegals are here illegally. They are invaders and misdemeanor or not, they are criminals for that alone.

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AArchibald

3 ups, 6h,

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You are welcome to call people "criminals" who are guilty of misdemeanors.

The inconvenient fact remains that there have been more felonious criminals per capita in Trump's inner circle and in his 2016 election campaign than there are among "illegal immigrants."

Fact: You and I would be surrounded by fewer felons if the kind of people Trump routinely employs were all exiled - and illegal immigrants were allowed to stay.

Admittedly, tax returns are not required.

In fact, Obama provided a legal copy of his "Long Form" birth certificate.

Here's Snopes' analyisis: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/birth-certificate/

You would not believe Obama provided his FULL birth certificate which is not required to prove citizenship as you would know if you applied for a U.S. passport.

Furthermore, you would not believe Obama's complied with the law fully even if Bill Maher's conditions were met: "There's nothing anyone can do to convince these folks. You could hand them, in person, the original birth certificate and have a video of Obama emerging from the womb with Don Ho singing in the background ... and they still wouldn't believe it... This isn't a case of Democrats versus Republicans. It's sentient beings versus the lizard people."

Furthermore, whatever birth certificate Obama might provide, I swear to God people like you would continue to claim it was not his FULL birth certificate.

For more information on Obama's birth certificate, see http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2018/11/reprise-bill-maher-on-birthers.html

In similar vein, when is Trump going to hold the press conference he promised "in a few weeks" (back in 2016)?

Melania Trump Got U.S. Residence Status And Citizenship By Lying To Get "Einstein/Genius" Visa
https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/09/melania-trump-got-us-residence-status.html

You are intellectually dishonest.

And I understand why that is so.

You support a president who has told over 13,000 provable lies since inauguration, and in light of this sh*tstorm of unrelenting falsehood you too MUST lie to justify your ongoing support.

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klkitchens_memer

2 ups, 5h,

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Nope. I'm intellectually honest. You're the spinmeister (Though you're very bad at it).

It's not ME calling them criminals... it's the US penal code. Misdemeanors ARE crimes. Those committing them ARE criminals. Indisputable.

Regardless, you've cited ZERO proof that felonies have been committed in Trump's administration. None. Zip.

The only criminals he associates with are Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer, etc...

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VagabondSouffle

2 ups, 3h,

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You've been on this planet long?

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klkitchens_memer

2 ups, 3h,

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Quite some time based on the reasonable and measured answers I give and the intelligence behind my comments and memes.

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VagabondSouffle

2 ups, 3h,

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The only thing behind your nonsense is, um, nonsense.

Hey, how's the Q going? Haven't heard any more of em zany predictions that never come true here lately...

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klkitchens_memer

2 ups, 3h

Yep... when I have nonsense, it's nonsensical. But when I'm political, it's accurate.

And what "Q"???

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enochthewatcher

2 ups, 9h