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Susan McMurray

Updated Wed

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Republicans who will not be voting for Trump, what was your breaking point?

My brother was an elected Republican politician (now a lobbyist on K street) for 20 years. He is right of center; although, not a fringe dweller. I asked him a couple of months ago if he would be voting for Donald Trump again. These were his words: “Don’t get your hopes up; I am never going to be a democrat but neither am I a dumb ass.”

I asked him what was his breaking point and he launched into a huge tirade against Barack Obama and then said, “Trump has been worse by far than Obama.” His examples were immigration and the ballooning deficit; but the real reason, he said, “Was the gradual realization Trump was mentally ill and unfit for office.” He told me if I wanted to know how republicans feel about Trump, George Conway was representative of the ones he knows.

I asked him if Trump had a chance of winning; he snorted and said, “We should all pray that the democrats shut-up and do not fk up.” I am afraid I had to agree with his last statement.

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Jimmy Gant

July 5 ·

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Susan McMurray

Curious, how does your brother see Fox News? His line about the Democrats not fu**ing it up is valid I think. One thing I’ve noticed is that Fox and some conservatives often spend more time talking about Joe Biden and his campaign over their own candidate. Blaming, mocking. Trump supporters follow t

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Susan McMurray

Original Author · Thu ·

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Thanks for the question, Jimmy. I don’t think my brother watches much news and, if he did, it wouldn’t be Fox. By the time an issue has made the news, he is already entrenched and in position to consult with his clients — news commentary is superfluous.

What is more interesting to me is how he is nav

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Mary Lucas

18h ago ·

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Dems gave already messed up. Biden is senile. He is also a crook. I am hoping Trump us elected agsin. He us demonized by the media, but he is not that bad.

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Michelle Schake BowerI have a hard time taking you seriously when you really don’t have a command of the English language…maybe that’s why you are for Trump, bird’s of a feather and all. (have not gave, is not us, again not agsin, is not us)

James W. Hoover

Fri ·

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Susan McMurray

I would be happy enough to vote for Joe Biden, but I want to run him for President with his mouth taped shut. He has a decent brain, it’s just that it isn’t always synced up with his tongue.

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Denis Lobo

Sat ·

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James W. Hoover

I agree James. Just that his gaffes make him real. When he speaks about “turning off the record player” it doesnt occur to me that he is out of date.
What comes through is a genuine and decent man who loves his country. Then when I look at his background as a Professor of Law and his public service

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James W. HooverI get it. And that’s why I usually keep my mouth shut. Biden is reaching people who aren’t me, which is most people. The sort of candidate who would resonate 100% with me would never win an election in the U.S. I’m still going to vote for Biden, no matter what. I don’t require my politicians to be saints. I don’t require ideological purity. Frankly, I’m wary of anyone who won’t compromise. That’s not politics. And we all know that the alternative - another four years of GOP treason, misrule, corruption, and incompetence - is unacceptable. I never thought I’d see a point in this country when an entire political party would actively collude with an enemy power in a treasonous power grab, and do everything possible to trample the constitution, divide the country, and simultaneously destroy the economy, the political process, and key national institutions simply to enrich themselves.

Mary Lucas

18h ago

Biden has a deteriorating brain. He also has been involved in political corruption-- pay to play, kick backs, money laundering. Peter Schweizer has a book on this. The Ukrainians have provided documents confirming the corruption. Media chooses not to cover this. It's disgusting really.

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Alan Archibald

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Schweizer is a Breitbart operative just as Steve Bannon is. And if you like that mindset, nothing I say will change your view. I find Bannon always despicable, arguably more so than Trump. And I almost always find Breitbart despicable. Peter Schweizer - Wikipedia

Brian Hufford

1h ago ·

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I don’t agree with you about Biden, but you lost literally all of your credibility if you are a Trump supporter. No one is less coherent or competent, or more blatantly corrupt, than Trump. So if you refuse to vote for Biden because you believe he is “deteriorating” or supposedly has been involved i

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James LaBare

17m ago ·

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Susan McMurray

So far Biden is doing a good job of just engaging in low key, socially distanced campaigning, and just not making big waves. Frankly, Trump is doing a better job campaigning for Biden at this point by just being himself.

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William Carlin

July 3 ·

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Susan McMurray

Our County, The United States of America is in serious trouble and in danger of completely losing the values, republican and democratic, that made this country the greatest, most free country on Earth…we used to be problem solvers…our election system was the shining example of how it should be done.

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Jon Potter

July 5 ·

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Susan McMurray

Our values didn't make the country great. It became great because of the nearly unlimited amounts of untapped natural resources. The people themselves are no better than any others, neither are their values.

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Madonna SalcedoThere are other countries with natural resources that one would probably not consider great. There are other historical factors that are relevant. I don't believe, whether you consider the U.S. great or not, that greatness can be correlated exclusively with wealth.

Christopher Dack

July 4 ·

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I'm afraid not quiet true. Your elections and system are only envied by those country's that have no rights at all. The rest of the free world have better systems and though not perfect don't have the childish name calling or vicious personal attacks in campaigning. Your freedoms are also a double e

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Andrew DeaneAgree for sure, what was really disturbing was on the July 4th there were over 160 gun related deaths including kids under 10y.o. FFS what the hell! Lets face it the country is owned and run by billionaire oligarchs, lobbyists and the elites, Biden will not change the underlying issues. Trump, we all realise is a corrupted, con man with zero integrity or ethics who has done longstanding damage to your country, but basically is a puppet of the corporates, albeit an uncouth knucklehead. it will take a massive grassroots movement to force change, will this happen any time soon? the only hope is the youth who have shown signs of dissent and seeing thru all of the mainstream corporate bullshit peddled out boy both parties.

Gina Rosar

Sat ·

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Susan McMurray

I have to admit us democrats have an unique ability to f’ it up. I’m hoping we can pull ourselves together this nov.

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Marcel Buquet

18h ago ·

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Susan McMurray

At least your brother is one republican with a brain. Republican or democrat is not the problem here. The problem is with those who insist on backing a person with an EXTREMELY low IQ and that is as nicely as I can put it. I would use stronger words, but I do not want to get into trouble.

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David Luesley

July 3 ·

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Susan McMurray

The election is the democrats to lose.

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Nikos Themelis

July 3 ·

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If Trump wins, your country lose.

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John YavrouianAbsolutely not, the country, especially the people will win big time! Looking at the economy, unemployment all time low, people’ 401 K and Retirement plans - are all time high! Thanks to President Trump, United States is number one oil producer in the world! Since President Trump is a master campaigner. He has raised record amounts of money, launching his re-election campaign the day after he took office in 2017. True, right now, he is not holding large rallies that attract thousands and energise his followers. With the coronavirus pandemic making everyone shelter in place around the country, would this not critically derail the Trump re-election campaign? That is not necessarily. His campaign has been investing considerably in online campaigning. On Facebook, his campaign has spent millions on advertising, for example. There are also his media allies, for instance, at Fox News. While they were initially ridiculed for downplaying the global pandemic, many of the commentators at the station have since reckoned with the new normal that the virus has caused in the US. Still, many at the news outlet cover the pandemic differently when compared to others, tending to side with the president whenever possible. There is also the electoral process in effect, voters were made to choose between their health and exercising their constitutional right to select their leaders. The Supreme Court weighed in, not only allowing the election to proceed, but also placing a limit on the time for absentee ballots to be turned in late. The court ultimately ruled that the primary election should go on, regardless of the fact that the number of coronavirus cases in the state was continuing to rise. The Supreme Court decision is not something to ignore. Effectively, the court has decided to leave decisions about elections to individual states. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts has a long history of holding such a position, even forming part of the majority in the court that significantly weakened the Voting Rights Act - a central piece of 1960s Civil Rights-era legislation that sought to ensure free and fair elections for people of colour, particularly in areas of the country that were known for racial discrimination. Moreover, Wisconsin is not the only state where voting rights are being challenged. There are other states where voting rights have been curtailed, including Georgia, Texas and North Carolina. From purging the rolls of registered voters, to creating voter ID requirements, many states around the US have made real efforts to suppress the vote. However, it is low-income folks and, particularly, people of colour who have been disproportionately affected by such restrictions. However, that is because Covid-19 and Black Lives Matter and the Media sending the wrong message! Therefore, for the Democrats, this is an acute problem - the very people who have been targeted by voter suppression efforts tend to lean left, casting their ballots for the Democrats, and not for the Republicans. However, it is safe to say that this electoral year is a veritable minefield for Democrats, due principally to Trump's campaigning acumen, and the Republicans' success in distorting electoral rules in their favor. For that reason, we must support President Trump, to get elected in November again!