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Saturday, August 17, 2019

Facebook Exchange With Xtian Friend About Deism, The Founding Fathers & The Bill Of Rights


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You say: "Our constitution and Bill of Rights were written by well educated men who were for the most part Quakers and other Protestants who'd escaped prison and death that would be imposed on them had they stayed in Europe and been treated by authority in the established Roman Catholic and Anglican church who were themselves at war with each other but punishing good men who did nothing but translate word into the common language of the people the scriptures meant for them, not only a select few who believed themselves to be the illuiinated ones or greater than their "brothers".. read the whole Word of God and don't leave out those parts you refuse to hear and understand."
  
Karen, it has become increasingly difficult to carry on meaningful conversation with you because you don't respect (and may not understand) the nature of intellectual integrity.

I don't say this to be uppity but because it's true.

You have categorically thrown out MSN, even though MSN does almost all the nuts-and-bolts reporting that gets real, factual stories into "the news cycle." 

You yourself even expressed surprise at what a good job MSN did in the early days of The Epstein Scandal. 

Admittedly, mainstream media has many failings, plus it is beset by the deep skew imparted by corporate ownership. 

It is no surprise that MSN ownership by "Big Money" obliges news outlets to push the "Official Story" that unbridled capitalism is, overall, a very good thing, when in fact unbridled capitalism (or "Cowboy Capitalism" as I call it) is itself the chief culprit. 

Lead along garden path to ruin by the plutocrat capitalist in the White House, it never occurs to Trump cultists to call into question the nature of Capitalism, which, if nothing else, is predicated on fervent promotion ot The Seven Deadly Sins -greed, lust, gluttony, wrath, envy and pride among them. 

Trump's Full-Throttled Promotion Of Greed, Traditionally One Of Christianity's "7 Deadly Sins"

"The Love Of Money Is The Root Of All Evil" - An Open Invitation To Christian Conservatives

http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-love-of-money-is-root-of-all-evil.html

So, instead of examining MSN with the eye of a trained researcher willing to winnow wheat from chaff, you (and your kindred cultists) make the false assumption that --- since MSN is (in your view) categorically fallacious, you can therefore substitute any alternative news source -- or simply your own opinions and convictions!?! -- as "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."

This is not just foolish, Karen. 

This is deranged - a radical departure from Reality. 

I realize your family upbringing and Catholic conditioning make it very important for you to trash the existence of the priesthood, a body ministers whom you consider haughty "elites" -- people who impose themselves between God and base-level believers' sacred right to interpret scripture as they like. 

Truth be told, priests are generally well-educated people whereas a salient feature of fundamentalism is that "conservative" "Christians" are not particularly well-educated and furthermore have done a lousy job interpreting Scripture particularly its many built-in contraditions.

Mistakes In Scripture: When The Bible Gets The Bible Wrong

"How Biblical Literalism Took Root," Stephen Tompkins, The Guardian

Biblical Literalism And Bibliolatry: Open Invitations To Self-Righteousness, Wrath And Hatred


And so shoddy exegesis by "conservative" "Christians" has prepared y'all to buy the lies of The Malignant Messiah.

The end result is that conservative Christianty looks more like a wing of The Republican Party than an early Christian community whose members considered themselves followers of "The Way," not frightened defenders of rigid, punitive and peculiar doctrines, foremost of which is the "magical thinking" that believers need only proclaim their acceptance of Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior and -- voilà! -- a free ticket to paradise. 

Never mind that Jesus lived three years ministering to people (who were disproportionately outcasts) and modeling compassionate behavior.

Contemporary "Jesus cultists" throw those 3 years overboard while clinging to their core belief that they are "Saved!" by Jesus' 3 hours on the cross. 

Just profess your belief that you've been "washed in the blood."

This hugely disproportionate emphasis on 3 hours of Jesus' life as opposed to his previous 3 years of teaching and modeling is a lazy, self-serving cop-out Karen.

Not surprisingly, we now end up with "Trump Cult's" chest-thumping cheerleading for Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, sex-offender Bill O'Reilly, sex-tourist Rush Limbaugh, disgraced commentator Tucker Carlson and, of course, the pièce de résistance - QAnon.

Perhaps the following blog post will help you realize that the "intellectual elites" (whom you're totally comfortable discarding), are, in fact, well-informed guardians of humankind's cumulative body of knowledge.

You think that whatever you say is God's Truth, not by virtue of integral research but because you "feel right" about spouting it --just the way other right-wing conspiracists spout stuff fully convinced their unresearched assertions are Absolutely True.


The Trump Cult (And Its Relative Interchangeability With Conservative Christian Cultism)

"How Cults Enslave People, And Why It's So Damn Difficult To Break Free"

The Contrast Between Cultists And People Who Can Think Critically: The Diagnostic Features


"The Cult Of Trump"

Take for example your simple assertion that "Our constitution and Bill of Rights were written by well educated men who were for the most part Quakers and other Protestants who'd escaped prison and death." 

In fact, only 7 of the 204 Founding Fathers (as commonly enumerated) were Quaker, whereas most Founding Fathers (88) still considered themselves Anglican which is the established Church of England, founded and headed by England's Royal Family... the same church which the Pilgrims fled, but The Founding Fathers did not. 

In fact, until The Founding Fathers decided to rebel against the crown, they were precisely the kind of educated people that the British Crown relied upon as colonial administrators. 

As for their actual beliefs -- setting aside "formal" religious affiliation -- an unusual number of Founding Fathers were Deist, including Thomas Jefferson who (often in correspondence with John Adams) spoke disdainfully of most uneducated "gum-chewing-sit-in-the-pew-while-trying-to-look-pious" "Christians."

"Deism And Founding Father Links"

It so happens that the "intellectual elite" -- including myself -- know lots of things that people who disdain "intellectual elites" foolishly discard. 

You know the drill - "Fake News! We want QAnon!"

Facebook Exchange With Xtain Fundie Friend About Her Inability To Admit Reality

https://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2019/08/facebook-exchange-with-xtain-fundie.html 

Indeed, knee-jerk critics of the "intellectual elites" don't even want to know: they want to believe whatever they concoct and therefore they seek out misleading shards of broken Truth in order to boast their righteousness and rightness.

How Conservatives Use Decontextualized Shards Of Truth To Tell HUGE Lies
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2017/08/scott-pruitt-how-conservatives-use.html


Snopes Probes Rep. Omar's Foul Mouth: How Fox News Takes Tiny Truths And Twists Them Into Gargantuan Lies


Lamentably, when "Christian" "conservatives" "sign off" on political leaders, they typically choose politicians who will lie to them because they want to be lied to.

"The Hardest Truth: People Want To Be Lied To"

They want their own smallmindedness and twisted half truths (at best!) to be reflected in their political idols.

Truth -- and its honest pursuit -- are way more complicated than you (and other cultists) want to believe.

Let's see if you will actually read my article about "Deism And Founding Father Links" and then provide a well-researched, well-informed reply.

Or, will you simply persevere in your naive belief that -- because you are among "The Chosen" -- anything you say will surely receive the imprimatur of Jesus Christ and then the nihil obstat of God the Father?



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