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Saturday, September 13, 2014

How Whole-Cloth Falsehoods Take Root: John Kennedy And Ronald Reagan

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The first step in debunking a quote is to find the original source. In this case the debunking is easy, because there is no original source.

Alan: Technically, it is impossible to prove that a quotation does not exist since, in the final analysis, there are many "personal communications" that have never been publicly published but which were, in fact, communicated by word of mouth. That said, "bilge is bilge." Generally speaking, one could easily track down all documented communications by JFK from the seventh day before his death. Ever since Ronald Reagan normalized fiction as truth, American conservatives have dedicated themselves to ridiculous extrapolation from "technicality" and "exceptions to rules" so that they "become" New Rules.

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Kennedy never said that. It's a made-up quote. 

The quote does not exist in any book indexed by Google, or Amazon. Zero results. Compare that with the "Monolithic and ruthless conspiracy" quote, which gets over 1,520 results in Google books. This means the "quote" is so new that it's not even got into any conspiracy books yet. And not only is there no record of him having said it, there's no record of anyone even claiming he said it. 

Seven days before his Nov 22 1963 assassination would be November 15th, 1963. On Nov 14th JFK gave a news conference:where he said nothing at all like that quote. That news conference is sometimes attributed to Nov 15th, as it appeared in the NYT the following day. Actually on Nov 15th, JFK gave two speeches.

The first was to the AFL-CIO labor organization, and was a generally upbeat assessment of American industry. 

The second was the to Catholic Youth Organization, and is slightly closer in tone, but still nothing like what is claimed. The following is an actual quote from JFK in that speech, and is the only thing of record that he said that day that remotely resembles the claimed quote:


The invented quote could possibly be an extreme corruption of this, but is more likely a paraphrasing of elements of the April 27th 1961 "conspiracy" speech that led to other mis-quotes:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/16...-by-a-monolithic-and-ruthless-conspiracy-quot

I did a little digging to try to find some possible origins of the "enslave", and the earliest usages:

Earliest full mention on Usenet: 4/10/2004

This has a different initial wording from the original. It's simply a quote in the signature of Dick Eastman, and could conceivably be the origin. I emailed Dick Eastman, but he did not remember where he heard the quote. Perhaps he wrote down someone else's paraphrasing of the "Monolithic and ruthless conspiracy" quote. One can imagine a preacher coming up with this version when preaching a sermon on the lessons JFK left us. But we'll probably never know where it really came from. 

There are a couple of earlier posts on Usenet that sound somewhat similar. 

Usenet post by Virgil Gray, 11/25/2001

alt.conspiracy post 1/18/1996

There is also some discussion on Snopes, and on Reddit.




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2 comments:

  1. *It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
    https://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Research-Aids/JFK-Speeches/American-Newspaper-Publishers-Association_19610427.aspx

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  2. https://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/JFKWHA-025-001.aspx

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