Dear Fred,
The percentage of pederast priests and pederast protestant ministers seems to be "the same."
In any event, it is wise to face facts and not self-exculpate simply because "we're no worse than the other guy."
Consider the following conclusion from a Research Study Conducted by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice: "Our analyses revealed little variability in the rates of alleged abuse across regions of the Catholic Church in the U.S. -- the range was from 3% to 6% of priests."
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-nature-and-scope-of-problem-of.html
Laura finds it "striking and shocking" that Pope Francis categorizes religious orders with such words as “police action,” “little monsters,” “hearts as sour as vinegar" but seemingly has never mouthed the words "child rapist" or "sacerdotal sodomist."
This longstanding sex scandal went "all the way to the top" where arguably worse crimes of "cover-up and facilitation" took place.
Lest we forget...
There has yet to be a trustworthy study of the likely larger percentage of priests in consensual sexual relationships with women and men.
"Disgraced Legion Of Christ Confounds Pope Francis"
Consider the following conclusion from a Research Study Conducted by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice: "Our analyses revealed little variability in the rates of alleged abuse across regions of the Catholic Church in the U.S. -- the range was from 3% to 6% of priests."
Pope Francis's Radical Enactment Of "The Good News"... And Getting "My" Church Back
Whereas Laura offers scant criticism of Catholic priests responsible for heinous crimes and grievous sins against children, Pope Francis contextualizes his criticism against the backdrop of deficient seminary practice and the shoddy outcomes that result from bad "formation."
Once again, Laura's "conservative alarmism" at work, coupled with her determination to examine individual "trees" in chiaroscuro isolation so that the rest of "the forest" drops from view.
Such short-circuited "epistemology" is ideologically convenient, ethically dubious and intellectually irresponsible.
"The Death of Epistemology"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2012/09/are-polls-skewed-death-of-epistemology.html
"Conservatives Scare More Easily Than Liberals" http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2013/07/conservatives-scare-more-easily-than.html
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Thomas Aquinas On American Conservatives' Continual Commission Of Sin" http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2013/12/thomas-aquinas-on-american.html
Pax on both houses
Alan
"The Death of Epistemology"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2012/09/are-polls-skewed-death-of-epistemology.html
Bergoglio’s Revolutionary “People of God”
AS promised, I would like to examine briefly another excerpt from the Rev. Antonio Spadaro’s account of comments ”Pope” Francis made before a gathering of the heads of religious orders. It is an important excerpt because it helps us understand the revolutionary phraseology of Vatican II. Francis here is discussing the formation of priests:
As a matter of fact in Rio the Pope identified clericalism as one of the causes of the “lack of maturity and Christian freedom” in thePeople of God.
It follows that: “If the seminary is too large, it ought to be divided into smaller communities with formators who are equipped really to accompany those in their charge. Dialog must be serious, without fear, sincere. It is important to recall that the language of young people in formation today is different from that in the past: we are living through an epochal change. Formation is a work of art, not a police action. We must form their hearts. Otherwise we are creating little monsters. And then these little monsters mold the People of God. This really gives me goose bumps.”
The Pope then insisted on the fact that formation should not be oriented only toward personal growth but also in view of its final goal: the People of God. It is important to think about the people to whom these persons will be sent while forming them: “We must always think of the faithful, of the faithful People of God. Persons must be formed who are witness of the resurrection of Jesus. The formator should keep in mind that the person in formation will be called to care for the People of God. We always must think of the People of Godin all of this. Just think of religious who have hearts that are as sour as vinegar: they are not made for the people. In the end we must not form administrators, managers, but fathers, brothers, traveling companions.” [emphases added]
“Police action,” “little monsters,” “hearts as sour as vinegar,” — all these words refer to members of religious orders. How striking and shocking it is to witness a supposed pontiff speak this way and to complain bitterly about “clericalism.” What is the “clericalism” Jorge Bergoglio despises? His is a Protestant antipathy toward the priesthood and the Church hierarchy. Priests have had too much power and must cede their role to the laity. This is nothing new, of course, since it is a major theme of Vatican II.
Contrast this disdain for “clericalism” with Bergoglio’s approving use of the term “People of God.” The People of God represent “the final goal.” Bergoglio makes 14 references to the “People of God” in his apostolic exhortation (or better yet, his apostaticalexhortation, Evangelii Gaudium). Here is one:
In all the baptized, from first to last, the sanctifying power of the Spirit is at work, impelling us to evangelization. The people of God is holy thanks to this anointing, which makes it infallible in credendo. This means that it does not err in faith, even though it may not find words to explain that faith. The Spirit guides it in truth and leads it to salvation.[96] As part of his mysterious love for humanity, God furnishes the totality of the faithful with an instinct of faith – sensus fidei – which helps them to discern what is truly of God. The presence of the Spirit gives Christians a certain connaturality with divine realities, and a wisdom which enables them to grasp those realities intuitively, even when they lack the wherewithal to give them precise expression.
This notion of the infallibility of the people is revolutionary. It is no wonder that the Vatican recently sent a survey to Catholics for their views on family and social issues. Instead of the hierarchy teaching the people, the people teach the hierarchy. Is it any surprise that “Pope” Francis is on Facebook, that he curries the favor of the crowd, as did John Paul II and Benedict XVI? The people are infallible.
In Ecclesia, the last volume in Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?, his collection of books on Vatican II, Atila Sinke Guimarães analyses many references to the “People of God” by Vatican II thinkers. I highly recommend his dissection of its meaning. The term is deployed to affirm the egalitarianism, Marxist social justice, and Pan-Religion to which these utopian universalists aspire. Hans Küng, one of the chief theologians of Vatican II, wrote, as quoted in Ecclesia:
The Church is the people of God, and we see that it is precisely for this reason that the Church neither is nor can be only a class or a certain caste in the bosom of the community of believers. To the contrary, all the faithful in a fundamental equality are the Church, are the members of the people of God. They are all ‘elect,’ ‘holy,’ ‘disciples,’ ‘brothers.’ Precisely for this reason, they are the royal priesthood. [Ecclesia, p. 134] [emphasis added]
And from Bishop Clement Riva, former Auxiliary Bishop of Rome:
In each aspect of the reality and life of the Church, the whole people of God is unfolding, and all the faithful participate in the priestly, prophetic and kingly missions of Christ (Lumen Gentium 2) They participate finally in the gift of infallibility. [Ecclesia, p. 127]
In his speech to the heads of religious orders, Francis says, “We must always think of the faithful, of the faithful People of God.” How strange to hear a pontiff promote this theological version of the “customer is always right.” Shouldn’t they, the priests of tomorrow, always be thinking of God?
Guimaråes writes:
Gifted, then, with a direct communication with the divinity, the people of God replaces the Church Magisterium and comes to be the organ of divine infallibility — or at least of the greatest possible certainty — in matters of faith and morals.
The people of God, it seems, are more important than God himself.
Consider Jesus' view of "God himself"
"So You Know What You're Doing To Me?'
***
Visit "The Thinking Housewife" and key-word search "compassion," "mercy," "forgiveness," "service."
You will find next to nothing. And when you do get a "hit," it is likely be in the context of ridicule.
AS promised, I would like to examine briefly another excerpt from the Rev. Antonio Spadaro’s account of comments ”Pope” Francis made before a gathering of the heads of religious orders. It is an important excerpt because it helps us understand the revolutionary phraseology of Vatican II. Francis here is discussing the formation of priests:
As a matter of fact in Rio the Pope identified clericalism as one of the causes of the “lack of maturity and Christian freedom” in thePeople of God.
It follows that: “If the seminary is too large, it ought to be divided into smaller communities with formators who are equipped really to accompany those in their charge. Dialog must be serious, without fear, sincere. It is important to recall that the language of young people in formation today is different from that in the past: we are living through an epochal change. Formation is a work of art, not a police action. We must form their hearts. Otherwise we are creating little monsters. And then these little monsters mold the People of God. This really gives me goose bumps.”
The Pope then insisted on the fact that formation should not be oriented only toward personal growth but also in view of its final goal: the People of God. It is important to think about the people to whom these persons will be sent while forming them: “We must always think of the faithful, of the faithful People of God. Persons must be formed who are witness of the resurrection of Jesus. The formator should keep in mind that the person in formation will be called to care for the People of God. We always must think of the People of Godin all of this. Just think of religious who have hearts that are as sour as vinegar: they are not made for the people. In the end we must not form administrators, managers, but fathers, brothers, traveling companions.” [emphases added]
“Police action,” “little monsters,” “hearts as sour as vinegar,” — all these words refer to members of religious orders. How striking and shocking it is to witness a supposed pontiff speak this way and to complain bitterly about “clericalism.” What is the “clericalism” Jorge Bergoglio despises? His is a Protestant antipathy toward the priesthood and the Church hierarchy. Priests have had too much power and must cede their role to the laity. This is nothing new, of course, since it is a major theme of Vatican II.
Contrast this disdain for “clericalism” with Bergoglio’s approving use of the term “People of God.” The People of God represent “the final goal.” Bergoglio makes 14 references to the “People of God” in his apostolic exhortation (or better yet, his apostaticalexhortation, Evangelii Gaudium). Here is one:
In all the baptized, from first to last, the sanctifying power of the Spirit is at work, impelling us to evangelization. The people of God is holy thanks to this anointing, which makes it infallible in credendo. This means that it does not err in faith, even though it may not find words to explain that faith. The Spirit guides it in truth and leads it to salvation.[96] As part of his mysterious love for humanity, God furnishes the totality of the faithful with an instinct of faith – sensus fidei – which helps them to discern what is truly of God. The presence of the Spirit gives Christians a certain connaturality with divine realities, and a wisdom which enables them to grasp those realities intuitively, even when they lack the wherewithal to give them precise expression.
This notion of the infallibility of the people is revolutionary. It is no wonder that the Vatican recently sent a survey to Catholics for their views on family and social issues. Instead of the hierarchy teaching the people, the people teach the hierarchy. Is it any surprise that “Pope” Francis is on Facebook, that he curries the favor of the crowd, as did John Paul II and Benedict XVI? The people are infallible.
In Ecclesia, the last volume in Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?, his collection of books on Vatican II, Atila Sinke Guimarães analyses many references to the “People of God” by Vatican II thinkers. I highly recommend his dissection of its meaning. The term is deployed to affirm the egalitarianism, Marxist social justice, and Pan-Religion to which these utopian universalists aspire. Hans Küng, one of the chief theologians of Vatican II, wrote, as quoted in Ecclesia:
The Church is the people of God, and we see that it is precisely for this reason that the Church neither is nor can be only a class or a certain caste in the bosom of the community of believers. To the contrary, all the faithful in a fundamental equality are the Church, are the members of the people of God. They are all ‘elect,’ ‘holy,’ ‘disciples,’ ‘brothers.’ Precisely for this reason, they are the royal priesthood. [Ecclesia, p. 134] [emphasis added]
And from Bishop Clement Riva, former Auxiliary Bishop of Rome:
In each aspect of the reality and life of the Church, the whole people of God is unfolding, and all the faithful participate in the priestly, prophetic and kingly missions of Christ (Lumen Gentium 2) They participate finally in the gift of infallibility. [Ecclesia, p. 127]
In his speech to the heads of religious orders, Francis says, “We must always think of the faithful, of the faithful People of God.” How strange to hear a pontiff promote this theological version of the “customer is always right.” Shouldn’t they, the priests of tomorrow, always be thinking of God?
Guimaråes writes:
Gifted, then, with a direct communication with the divinity, the people of God replaces the Church Magisterium and comes to be the organ of divine infallibility — or at least of the greatest possible certainty — in matters of faith and morals.
The people of God, it seems, are more important than God himself.
Consider Jesus' view of "God himself"
"So You Know What You're Doing To Me?'
***
Visit "The Thinking Housewife" and key-word search "compassion," "mercy," "forgiveness," "service."
You will find next to nothing. And when you do get a "hit," it is likely be in the context of ridicule.
You will find next to nothing. And when you do get a "hit," it is likely be in the context of ridicule.
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