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Sunday, July 1, 2018

Facebook Exchange On A Trumpista Comment About How Sad It Was That People Despise Trump

I have no garden work today. I have several volunteer options but I like it better when I am working for money.
We are going to Sacramento on Friday, for a family party on Saturday. It will be hot there. I expect we will mostly stay inside or jump in the swimming pool.
i cannot write about politics withou mentioning Trump and how much I despise him. I have been accused of hating him, by a Trump supporter who declared yesterday that the Muslims he knows are not real Americans. Go figure.....

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DS: "Despise' is a normal reaction to a president whose goal is to make as much money as he can off the taxpayers--all the while, bragging he isn't taking a salary.

"Because Trump’s business empire is overseen by a trust of which he is the sole beneficiar
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Alan Archibald Against the rich backdrop of "The Great American Experiment," I believe it is more likely that self-professed "Real Americans" are not real Americans. 

Sure, even "Real Americans" are welcome to be an ingredient in Uncle Sam's stew, but the ferocious 
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EHK: I'm sorry you despise Donald Trump. I'm trying to understand. I lived under a president with whom I disagreed politically, but never thought to despise him. I will say that when I attended my nephew's funeral and the flag was presented "on behalf of President Barack Obama," I felt my skin crawl. But I never commented publicly and certain did not share on Facebook. I disagreed and debated his policies publicly, but did not despise him. It does not seem possible to have a conversation with one who despises. That is a problem in our country now.
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DS: It is easy for me to despise a man who sexually assaults women and brags about it, especially next to a family man who publicly showed his respect for his exceptional wife. Then, there is everything else that is different between a decent man and a con...See More
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DS: "An ignominious and incomplete list of what he has done since we were asked to “give him a chance” includes accusing the former president of spying on him. Overseen the passage of a tax cut that benefits almost entirely the 1%. He has cozied up to dict...See More
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EHK: Just curious. Have you read the Inspector General's report?
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DS: EHK If you want me to read something, put up a link. If there is some point you want to make about what is in the report, quote it. 

I wish I had a nickel for every time a trump supporter deflected because they couldn't face their ignominious vote in 2016. lol, I'd have more money than trump claims he has.
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EHK: Some of your points are curious, especially if you have not bothered to read the IG's report. 'Nuff said.
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DS: lol, what a silly game. I'd rather have an intelligent conversation.
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Alan Archibald Diane Sherman I applaud your intelligent, careful exposition. 

It is not "nuff said" when a correspondent reasonably requests links and quotes. 
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Alan Archibald "Why Americans Have A Moral Obligation To Despise Trump"
http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../why-americans...
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DS: Alan Archibald Since I discovered how easy it is to post sources, I do it every time I make a claim. I can make a rational argument, but I depend on original and corroborating sources to back it up. 
It is so odd that neither facts, nor reliable source
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DS: Alan Archibald Obama said yesterday, 

“One of the biggest challenges we have to our democracy is the degree to which we don’t share a common baseline of facts,” 
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EHK: You still have not said that you have read the Inspector General's report (500 pages). That is an original source.
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DS: EHK repeating my same reply to your same question--" If you want me to read something, put up a link. If there is some point you want to make about what is in the report, quote it. "
It isn't a discussion when you just ask if I read something.
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EHK: DS, you prove my point. It's easy to read links posted to FB. Go to the original source: The I.G. Report. You can look it up if you are interested in facts. I am not sending you a link. Thank you. 
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Alan Archibald Wow. That was a bizarre refusal. 

"You can look it up if you are interested in facts. I am not sending it to you." 
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DS: EHK "The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi) is the obligation of a party in a trial to produce the evidence that will prove the claims they have made."
The same is expected within thoughtful FB discussions regarding documented sourc
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DS: Alan Archibald It is hard to believe there are any informed, intelligent conservatives. I suspect there must be some, somewhere, but I rarely see them on FB. 
I value a variety of pov, but I just can't seem to find a conservative that isn't brainwashed
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"Most Stupid People Are Conservative," John Stuart Mill
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DS: Alan--you might want to add this to your list. It respectfully explains some differences.

https://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind

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